Run Cars on Water.

   This experiment might be a little off subject but this system uses a Pulse Width Modulator to increase the amount of HHO that is produced.  I played with the circuit here and it works just like he says it should.  I know mechanics and electronics but nothing about chemistry so the whole thing could be a joke but I had fun with it anyway. LOL  Electrolysis  normally takes a lot of current but this system can reduce it down to a few 100 ma's  and that part seems correct.
There are many url's on the net that say this is possible so who knows for sure.  The problem I had was I never got enough gas to run a good size engine. I think the main problem was the design of my water cell as the circuit seemed to work just fine.
 http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/carplans_doc.htm

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Jalex Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 08-Oct-17 Location: USA Online Status: Offline Posts: 414	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jalex Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Run Cars on Water. Posted: 10-Feb-13 at 19:11
	This experiment might be a little off subject but this system uses a Pulse Width Modulator to increase the amount of HHO that is produced. I played with the circuit here and it works just like he says it should. I know mechanics and electronics but nothing about chemistry so the whole thing could be a joke but I had fun with it anyway. LOL Electrolysis normally takes a lot of current but this system can reduce it down to a few 100 ma's and that part seems correct. There are many url's on the net that say this is possible so who knows for sure. The problem I had was I never got enough gas to run a good size engine. I think the main problem was the design of my water cell as the circuit seemed to work just fine. http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/carplans_doc.htm

Ivan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Joined: 08-Aug-21 Location: Praha Online Status: Offline Posts: 396	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ivan Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10-Feb-14 at 11:24
	Hi Jalex, keep in mind that the law of conserving energy is probably valid. You cannot get more chemical energy from the hydrogen and oxygen than you inserted during the electrolysis. Normally the electrolysis converts part of electrical energy into the chemical one, the other part to useless heat. The trick may be increasing the efficiency by reducing the heat produced, but do not expect to insert 100 J into electrolysis of water and get 100 kJ in a combustion engine. BR from Ivan

Jalex Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 08-Oct-17 Location: USA Online Status: Offline Posts: 414	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jalex Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10-Feb-14 at 18:02
	I know what you mean here. The way it was explained to me was that the pulses generate high voltage spikes and bombard the molecules in the water and make more hydrogen using less current. I really don't know as my understanding of chemistry is so poor. About 60% of the people believe this is possible and 40% believe it's all a hoax. I have gotten a lawn mower to run on fairly well on this gas so I keep thinking it can be done.

sm0vpo Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Joined: 08-Nov-02 Location: Lunda, Sweden Online Status: Offline Posts: 335	Post Options Post Reply Quote sm0vpo Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10-Feb-15 at 11:25
	Hi Jalex, IMHO this technology does indeed work, but to a limit. The basic problem is that there are so many crooks out there trying to cash-in on the idea and sell rubbish to gullible people. What Ivan states (laws of conservation of energy) cannot be circumvented, and are a fact of life, just as certain as birth, death and hard-disk failure. It was explained to me that a huge batter, charged at home from electricity utility supply, is cheaper than petrol (benzine), and using the charge to generate hydrogen can save money, but NOT energy. The designs I have seen propose one should make a water-cell to generate hydrogen, then stuff it in the car's air intake. No I know little about car engines, but it is my understanding that there is a valve inthe carbureter, connected to the gas-pedal. When you take your foot off the gas, then the valve cuts off the fuel, and directs the input to clean air. With less fuel to the engine, your car slows down and you do not crash into the bus in front of you. But if you stuff hydrogen into the air intake, then the gas pedal will only change between fuel sources - petrol/hydrogen. The car will continue to steam ahead at full throttle, and may God help the passengers in the bus in front. So, Jalex, can you please tell me in simple terms just what it is I am missing? How do I change my Suzuki Grand Viagra V7 213hp to run on water, and still allow me to slow down the engine? It was explained to me in detail that burning petrol uses just a small percentage of the available energy and is very unefficient. Burning hydrogen, on the other hand, is a simple fuel that is totally converted to water when burned, and has an efficiency many times greater than petrol. I have "Googled" and seen a variety of Coke bottles with nails and wires attached, all stuffed into the air filter. Is this how yours works? BR Harry

Ivan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Joined: 08-Aug-21 Location: Praha Online Status: Offline Posts: 396	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ivan Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10-Feb-16 at 08:13
	Hi Harry, as far as I know, old petrol car engines (till approx. 1985) take filtered air into the carburator, where petrol is sprayed and the mixture is distributed into the cylinders. It is compressed, ignited by the spark plug, expands and the remnants are extruded into the outlet. The "gas pedal" moves a valve in the air inlet. When the pedal is released, the valve closes. (The engine does not stop, as there is a small separate unregulated sprayer chamber in the carburator.) The less air flows to the carburator, the less petrol is sprayed. Adequatly the less air-hydrogen mixture would be taken ito the cylinders, so some regulation should work. More modern petrol engines and all diesel engines have no carburator. They intake air only into the cylinders. They compress the air making it hot, then a portion of fuel is injected into the cylinders under high pressure. The "gas pedal" controls the amount of fuel per one cycle. The hot mixture is ignited by a spark plug (petrol) resp. catches fire due to high temperature (diesel), expands and the remnants are extruded into the outlet. The amount of hydrogen would have to be controlled in this case, otherwise full throttle would be used all the time ! VBR from Ivan OK1SIP

Jalex Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 08-Oct-17 Location: USA Online Status: Offline Posts: 414	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jalex Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10-Feb-16 at 18:54
	Hi Ivan and Harry Yes, Ivan has it correct, that's the way it works. They say the old engines are easier to convert because you don't have to deal with the computer and fuel injection systems. The Idea is to control the amount of Hydrogen and oxygen (HHO) by shifting the pulse width. It can be done with a simple pot. on the throttle valve. There is a valve in the carburetor. It's called a butterfly valve and it doesn't control the gas at all. Just the air going into the engine. Above that is a jet that controls the petrol out put. The rushing air stream coming in controls how much petrol it puts out and mixes with the air. There is a small hole in the throttle butterfly valve to keep the engine idling. Fuel injected engines are perfectly timed by the computer and the fuel is injected straight into the engine but they still have a valve to control the air intake. This is called an HHO on demand system so you don't have to have a tank of pressurized hydrogen by your side. LOL From what I have seen so far it looks to me like there is a problem generating a sufficient amount of hydrogen and oxygen to run anything bigger and a simple one cylinder engine. By varying the amount of hydrogen and oxygen it puts out while at the same time controlling the amount of air intake it sounds like a perfect system if a person could generate enough HHO. I think on that link above there is a zip file with a complete explanation of how the system works with schematics, how to build and everything. If not I have them.

Ivan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Joined: 08-Aug-21 Location: Praha Online Status: Offline Posts: 396	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ivan Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10-Feb-17 at 08:19
	Hi Jalex, you wrote: " it sounds like a perfect system if a person could generate enough HHO." The crucial question is: Where will you get energy to generate the hydrogen from ? If you want to use a form of traction wiring (like trolleybuses use) or an accumulator, it is much more efficient and ligtweight to run directly an electrical traction engine. NO combustion engine can reach 100% efficiency even in theory (see laws of thermodynamics and Carnot's cycle), further losses arise in the electrolyzer. The only possible usage I see is to prepare hydrogen in the garage using relatively cheap electricity from the outlet, pressurize it or store in the form of LiH and put READY HYDROGEN into the car. BR from Ivan

Jalex Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 08-Oct-17 Location: USA Online Status: Offline Posts: 414	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jalex Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10-Feb-17 at 18:03
	Hi Ivan I agree. I think there is enough hydrogen locked up in water but it will never be easy extract it. That was what I liked about this circuit it. At least gave a chance of getting more hydrogen while using a less currant. Supposedly our US government is running Humbe's on water and the guy that holds all the patents on this system is now working for them but who really knows for sure. This system was invented by Stanley Myers and some one poisoned him in a restaurant and his murderer was never found. Someone believes it works. His brother is the one working for the government now and he wont talk about the system any more at all. You can look him up on the net and get all sorts of interesting stories. There was another story like this about a guy in Australia that made what he called the Joe Cell. It was something like this and was claimed to be a hoax. This whole thing is kind of like perpetual motion that's no one has succeeded in doing either.

sonu panwar Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 10-Feb-27 Location: india Online Status: Offline Posts: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote sonu panwar Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10-Feb-27 at 12:37
	This is an classic obfuscation of the second law of thermodynamics. It is indeed the case that the Aquygen (HH2) gas "burns" cleanly and simply becomes water. This is because it is a reconfiguration of water (H2O) -- same elements but a different molecule. What is not said is that HH2 is not stable and that turning H2O into HH2 requires a lot of energy. Note that it takes "water and electricity" to break it down. This means water is not the fuel --electricity is. Also note that he doesn't say how much electricity it takes to work the welder (or the car). While I have no doubt the welder works great, it's not going to solve our fuel issues any time soon, because it's going to take some serious batteries to reconfigure H2O into HH2 and back to H2O.
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admin Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 07-Jan-01 Location: Sweden Online Status: Offline Posts: 51	Post Options Post Reply Quote admin Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10-Apr-22 at 17:27
	I know this topic has become a bit of an "old chestnut", but I have seen photographs of English taxis that continued to operate during WWII by using an alternative fuel source: They put a huge bag on the roof of the car, filled with coal-gas from the kitchen gas-tap. A couple of the pictures also showed how many taxi drivers put a house-brick int he middle of the bag to get the pressure to use the last drops of gas. So why not look for alternative forms of combustable gas for storage and use in a vehicle? For instance - Calcium Carbide and water? - Sodium Hydroxide, water and aluminium? - Human/animal excrement and fermentation? The spoof comedy film where (I think) Harrison Ford was the US president, sitting in Air Force One, powered by the excrement of 600 chickens that occupied 80% of the passenger space, may not be such a daft idea :-) /Harry Edited by admin - 10-Apr-22 at 17:29